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acceptance: Qwen3.8 FP8 vs vLLM 0.32.0 — ≥25% TTFT or TPOT gain, ≤5% regression #67
Description
Current owner amendment — 25% latency improvement with a 5% regression guard (2026-10-24)
The owner explicitly changed the goal in the active Codex conversation: at least one of TTFT or TPOT must be at least 25% lower than matched vLLM 0.32.0, and neither metric may be more than 5% higher. With candidate/baseline latency ratios, at least one must be ≤0.75, and both must be ≤1.05. This replaces the previous prospective 1.03 parity target; old measurements, frozen validators and verdicts remain unchanged.
The already approved protocol remains: only8192 input tokens, 2048 actual generated tokens, concurrency1, the same official client/model/tokenizer and physical H20, ten fixed inputs × three paired repetitions, original order/restart/warmup policy, and 10,000 input-cluster bootstrap draws with seed670032. For complete valid evidence, retain the original median and one-sided95% upper-bound decision structure with the new limits:
- PASS: each metric's median and upper bound are ≤1.05, and at least one same metric's median and upper bound are both ≤0.75.
- FAIL: either median exceeds1.05, or neither median reaches0.75.
- INCONCLUSIVE: median conditions pass but confidence-bound conditions do not, or required evidence is incomplete/invalid.
This is a prospective logical gate change, not a post-result choice of inputs, metric, bootstrap method or scorer. Each metric keeps the approved marginal95% calculation; no new joint-confidence claim is introduced. A separately versioned reducer/checklist will be independently reviewed and frozen before further candidate experiments. The old1.03 formal-v2 preparation was not staged/submitted and has no GPU reservation; it is superseded for activation.
Task quality, original ten8K retrieval cases, the existing44GPU-hour phased cap, one-plane-per-step discipline, independent review and autonomous PR integration authorization remain unchanged. Final campaign acceptance and Issue closure remain with the owner. PR26 and PR27 have merged; their historical bounded evidence remains valid within its stated scope and does not establish this new objective.
Current owner amendment — 8K-only acceptance (2026-10-23)
The owner explicitly confirmed in the active Codex conversation: both retrieval and formal TTFT/TPOT acceptance now cover only 8192 input tokens. Both arms still use the same pinned official vLLM 0.32.0 streaming HTTP client, concurrency 1, the same authenticated FP8 model/tokenizer and physical H20, 10 fixed inputs, 2048 actual output tokens ignoring EOS, and three paired alternating repetitions. Required candidate/baseline TTFT and TPOT ratios remain ≤ 1.03. This prospectively supersedes the 64K/128K required lengths in earlier scope entries below; historical inputs, observations, failures and verdicts remain unchanged.
Retrieval uses the existing fixed 8K inputs and scorer. Its matched baseline is 10/10 complete with all four positions correct; candidate complete and each-position counts must not regress, so all ten 8K cases must match. No input selection or post-result scorer change is authorized. Prior vLLM 64K/128K short-output retrieval succeeded; the current native attention path has a static long-context memory limitation, and the complete 2048-output formal matrix was not validated. This scope reduction is the owner's decision, not a retroactive failure or PASS for those observations.
GSM8K/HumanEval+/MMLU quality scope and per-dataset gates are unchanged. The 44 GPU-hour phased total cap (readiness 2 / baseline 4 / search 8 / finalization 30) was already authorized; remaining cost estimates will be revised for 8K without automatically consuming the cap. Autonomous independently reviewed PR integration is authorized; final campaign acceptance/closure remains with the owner.
The owner has now approved the 8K statistical rule (decision record): ten fixed inputs × three paired repetitions; for TTFT and TPOT separately, use the median of 30 candidate/baseline ratios and 10,000 input-cluster bootstrap draws (seed 670032). Median and one-sided 95% upper bound must both be ≤1.03; median above1.03 is FAIL, while only the upper bound above1.03 is INCONCLUSIVE. A versioned 8K reducer is being independently reviewed. Complete evaluator qualification and command/runtime/validator freeze remain required; this approval does not relabel prior diagnostics or alone award campaign PASS. Earlier pending-statistics wording below is historical.
Authority, parent and lifecycle
Refs #53. The requesting owner explicitly authorized this new acceptance Issue and closure of #57 as superseded, without rewriting its body, gates, evidence or historical verdicts. Acting contributor: Codex, implementing the owner's decisions from the current requirements discussion. Final campaign acceptance and Issue closure remain with the requesting owner.
Campaign ID: qwen38-h20-fp8-single-request-vllm032.
Status: INCONCLUSIVE — requirements accepted; execution protocol and acceptance freeze incomplete.
This is a new contract, not a retrospective relaxation or PASS for #57.
Accepted scope and comparison identity
- Independent nano-vllm-derived, text-only engine for the same official Qwen/Qwen3.8-27B-FP8 checkpoint as the baseline.
- Baseline server: vLLM 0.32.0, default optimization configuration, with only documented settings necessary to run this workload; no baseline configuration search.
- Both arms: same authenticated weights/tokenizer, same physical allocated H20-family GPU, greedy generation and no cross-request prefix cache. Record actual SKU, model limits, runtime, device conditions and every nondefault setting.
- Use the same pinned vLLM 0.32.0 benchmark client against both streaming HTTP services. Record the actual benchmark timing/token-count semantics and raw per-request outputs; do not substitute an engine-specific timer for acceptance.
- Baseline source:
<baseline_sha>; candidate:<candidate_sha>; benchmark, model/tokenizer, evaluator, dataset and environment identities remain to be resolved and frozen. A package version alone is not a complete source identity.
Performance protocol accepted by the owner
- Concurrency 1 only; multi-concurrency and production trace claims are out of scope.
- Exact input lengths 8192 / 65536 / 131072 tokens, including any rendered template. These replace all earlier 4K/8K/64K/256K proposals.
- Fixed synthetic token workloads: 10 distinct fixed inputs per length, identical actual input token sequences in both arms, with generation rules, special-token handling and hashes frozen before execution.
- Exactly 2048 generated tokens per performance request, ignoring early EOS. Verify real generated work rather than relying on requested length or decoded-text re-tokenization alone.
- Three paired repetitions, alternating engine order; startup, compilation and warmup excluded from timed requests. Freeze exact order, restart/warmup policy and measurement commands before baseline measurements.
- Report TTFT, TPOT, complete request latency and output tokens/s for each length, all trials and dispersion. No cross-length averaging may hide a failing required length.
- Objective (owner amendment, 2026-10-21): at each required input length, candidate/baseline TTFT and TPOT ratios must each be at most 1.03 (up to 3% slower). The owner explicitly selected this parity margin in the current execution discussion; the prior improve-only objective is superseded prospectively before any baseline/candidate comparison. Aggregation, variability handling and any guardrails remain pending baseline measurement and owner confirmation before optimization candidate search. Task-quality gates are unchanged.
- Baseline readiness/feasibility work is separate from an accepted performance comparison. No performance PASS is possible while gates or evidence are missing.
Task-quality protocol accepted by the owner
Use a fixed benchmark/evaluation protocol for both engines: thinking disabled, greedy, maximum 2048 output tokens, natural EOS enabled. Preserve capped outputs, parsing failures, errors and all attempts; no post-result exclusions or prompt/scorer changes.
| Task | Iteration screening | Final candidate | Prompt and score |
|---|---|---|---|
| GSM8K | Fixed 100 cases | Full official test split | 0-shot, brief reasoning and final answer; frozen answer extraction and correctness |
| HumanEval+ | Fixed 32 cases | Full evaluation set | 0-shot code generation; one greedy sample, isolated execution, pass@1 |
| MMLU | Fixed 100 cases | Fixed subject-stratified 1000-case subset | Fixed 5-shot examples, generate option letter; frozen parsing and accuracy |
For each final dataset separately, candidate score must be at least the matched vLLM score minus 0.01 absolute (one percentage point). No averaging between datasets, rounding rescue or statistical-confidence claim. Compare exact correct/pass counts and denominators. Screening subsets are for early rejection/diagnosis and cannot award final quality PASS.
Freeze dataset revisions, splits, selected IDs, sampling seed, prompts/chat template, demonstration examples, scoring/extraction, sandbox and execution limits before evaluations. Maintain explicit screening/final overlap: the final sets include disclosed screening data and must not be described as wholly unseen held-out data. The rest of the final evaluation is excluded from iterative tuning. Baseline quality outputs may be reused only under matching model/runtime/config/data/scorer identities with documented validity.
Numerical diagnostics and long context
- Task quality is the primary new model-quality acceptance basis.
- Logit NRMSE and greedy top-1 agreement are diagnostics in this new contract; acceptance: Qwen3.8-27B-FP8 single-H20 text engine and HTTP service — phase 1 #57's original mandatory numerical gates and failed results remain unchanged and attributable to acceptance: Qwen3.8-27B-FP8 single-H20 text engine and HTTP service — phase 1 #57.
- A failed old reference self-check is not repaired by this Issue and cannot be represented as a trusted numerical oracle. Identify the reference and its limitations for every new diagnostic.
- Output validity, authenticated model execution, request-state integrity and cleanup remain required; diagnostic status does not excuse broken execution.
- Add numerical alignment probes and fixed multi-position retrieval at 8K/64K/128K. The retrieval construction, positions, samples, score and gates must be separately specified; owner confirms retrieval gates after baseline and before search.
- Ordinary GSM8K/HumanEval+/MMLU results do not establish long-context capability.
Allowed optimization changes
Only model-semantics-preserving operator, layout, graph-execution and scheduling improvements. No new quantization format, KV compression, context truncation or speculative decoding. Preserve official FP8 weights, configured computation semantics and declared state precision; no hidden dense fallback represented as native FP8 compute.
Declare one hypothesis and one SIAS plane per candidate step. Keep evaluator/protocol changes separate from model optimization and version them prospectively.
Budget, readiness and stop conditions
Owner selected bounded feasibility and runtime estimation first, followed by an itemized GPU budget for baseline, search and final acceptance for explicit owner confirmation. No total GPU-hour budget is yet authorized by this Issue.
Before any probe, record its bounded workload, allocation, timeouts, cleanup and source/input identities. Keep failures, timeouts and unsupported lengths; never silently shorten input/output or drop a length.
Reserve finalization using measured validation cost. Do not begin performance candidate search until all gates, validators and the search/finalization budget are frozen. No GPU work was performed when opening this Issue.
Required readiness includes: benchmark API compatibility (including ignore_eos and streaming usage/token accounting), exact synthetic prompt token preservation, input-plus-output context/memory feasibility, fixed no-thinking templates, and deterministic task evaluation.
Freeze checklist
- Owner requirements and supersession policy recorded.
- Bounded feasibility/cost-estimation protocol and inputs identified.
- Actual hardware/model/runtime and vLLM source identities authenticated.
- Benchmark compatibility and exact input/output accounting verified.
- Baseline measurement protocol, inputs and client frozen before measurement.
- Task-quality datasets/subsets/prompts/scorers frozen before evaluation.
- Baseline measurements and itemized cost estimates retained.
- Owner confirms performance gates, retrieval gates and GPU budgets.
- Complete plan/validator freeze manifest and activation recorded before search.
- Independent review of implementation, timing integrity and evidence.
- Final delivered code/config restarted and complete acceptance rerun.
- Owner accepts completion; code integration and acceptance reported separately.
Evidence and publication
Draft artifact location: evidence/qwen38-h20-fp8-single-request-vllm032/, with plan/, results/, patch/, validator/.
Initial companion files are local working-tree drafts, not yet published Git blobs; do not treat their paths as remote evidence links or as a freeze manifest. Record committed artifact links/hashes when actually available.
Keep numerical thresholds scoped to this acceptance Issue and its eventual frozen evidence; do not copy them into shared workflows or skills. Retain all rejected trials and final source bindings. Public artifacts use placeholders for private paths/endpoints and omit credentials. Raw operational data remains in controlled storage.
Verdict remains INCONCLUSIVE until all required evidence is complete. Closing #57 is administrative supersession, not evidence of successful acceptance.
Current execution delegation (2026-10-21)
The owner requested continued optimization under InferRSI contracts, authorized one four-GPU Slurm allocation (including distributing long quality evaluation across its assigned devices), and requested recording every successful and failed optimization in InferRSI knowledge. The runtime model location is supplied privately and represented in shared artifacts as <MODEL_PATH>.
Execution team: accountable parent Codex; Agent A benchmark/baseline (GPT-6.1 Sol, high; timing review at xhigh), Agent B quality/evaluation (GPT-6.1 Sol, xhigh), Agent C dedicated engine (GPT-6.1 Sol, xhigh). Four agents total, including the parent. No closure or merge authority is added. Source and environment readiness may proceed; bounded feasibility protocol must precede GPU probes, with itemized search/finalization budgets and complete freeze still required before candidate search. The 1.03 parity margin is owner-approved; aggregation/retrieval gates and total optimization budget are not yet frozen.
Readiness checkpoint (2026-10-21)
No acceptance freeze or performance claim is activated. Baseline source/client release identity: 5df63a7203cdb9328d824a27b682e77c7b9928be; official x86_64 wheel SHA-256: 5e2ecdc5b0baf72921c288486417ca82778456a448e4fe60b62ee43c0dfc8611. Current native HTTP-readiness source: 78a9c235e14d56872283c72b0f4b9dcbcb760eda (local Git objects; publication not verified). The HTTP changes preserve the model implementation and were independently reviewed with 94 synthetic CPU tests passing.
CPU-only Slurm readiness: dependency resolution 1501 completed/0 (45 s), model-byte intake 1502 completed/0 (38 s), isolated baseline install 1505 completed/0 (427 s), fixed token fixture generation 1515 completed/0. The model intake verified 74 files / 30,889,968,033 bytes, all 66 indexed weight shards corroborated. Model/tokenizer source revision is 017b9c7af6b5689d5dd426a76e0bc077eb5ca20a; report SHA-256 05b27b016c3b80c4263f34103fc775021c88d878d8944451cd57ccad8d186fcc. The fixed fixture has 10 inputs at each 32/8192/65536/131072 length, SHA-256 4f4256cc4edc9a23f55f66151738a1ecef07eb752c695e7b7fbdfa17e01d6aa9. Baseline installation checks dependencies, three benchmark files byte-for-byte against the source archive, and CLI help; GPU/model qualification is still pending.
Quality CPU preparation 1517 exited 1 during JSONL prompt re-reading after dataset/cohort preparation. Before/after source, intake, runtime and tokenizer guards remained identical. Preserve this attempt; a prospective versioned fix is being checked before retry. No GPU, generated-code execution or quality scoring occurred.
Initial GPU readiness will use one GPU for at most one hour, within the owner's permission to use up to four when useful. Both services run sequentially on the same assigned device. Baseline probes: fixed 32-input/8-output framing and cost requests, then 8192/32, 65536/8, 131072/8 cost probes. Native: 32/8 only, with long inputs explicitly not run because inspected source materializes quadratic full attention. Startup is bounded at 1200 s per arm; overall readiness at 3000 s with owned-process cleanup and input-integrity checks. Reduced-output readiness requests cannot substitute for the required 2048-token acceptance matrix.
Raw operational records stay in private task storage; this Issue deliberately omits runtime paths and device identities. The local draft evidence directory is not yet a published Git bundle. Metric aggregation/variability, retrieval gates and itemized baseline/search/finalization budgets remain pending before candidate optimization search. Verdict: INCONCLUSIVE.
Activity
jiangkuaixue123 commentedon Oct 22, 2026
轮次总账(由 InferRSI 分析维护,每轮追加一行)
规则:每个代码提交必须能指回一个 issue(这里只挂 #67,#57 已关闭授权关闭);不能 push 的分支标"本地分支未 push";run 记录里的 commit sha 必须与本行完全一致,对不上即视为未记录;缺项写"无",不事后回填猜测。
qwen38-h20-fp8-single-request(v7 卡,UUID 未记录)store:case.qwen38-launch-and-graph-gains-canditem()移出步循环store:case.qwen38-graph-state-not-accumulating-candstore:case.qwen38-v5-timewait-retracted-candstore:case.qwen38-v8-bucket-boundary-silent-eager-cand5c7700d所属仓确认 PR 流程5c7700d(白名单远端 checkout,非上游仓)store:case.qwen38-graph-state-not-accumulating-cand+store:case.qwen38-launch-and-graph-gains-candfp8-baseline(卡 UUID667b4c91,n=5/n=3,客户端vllm bench serve)store:case.qwen38-fp8-baseline-measured-not-estimated-candvllm bench serve与common-client.py的计时差异定性当前缺项(不得补猜)
5c7700d的 PR 状态:该仓库是否走 PR 流程待优化师确认。目标线(据此更新)
vllm bench serverun):8K 10.65 × 0.97 ≈ 10.33 ms。common-clientrun):8K 10.17 × 0.97 ≈ 9.86 ms;32 档 10.04 × 0.97 ≈ 9.74 ms。jiangkuaixue123 commentedon Oct 22, 2026
总账修订 v2(补齐 sha / 作业号 / 卡 UUID;写入硬账判定与精度臂规则)
补齐项均逐条对照 RUN-RECORD 核验(v6/v7/v9),不是从聊天里回填:
78a9c235…cecc3184-6d37-8eb6-94b9-f422bfd76dc4e0b15b661dffc194e753c51fe0828b4bcf8b7eeb667b4c91-5ee6-c0be-acdc-19d7903ee0477080ebd375e64ef4a6e1fd76b6e11f9912715566667b4c91-5ee6-c0be-acdc-19d7903ee047R0 与 R1/R2 不是同一张物理卡(
cecc3184…vs667b4c91…),跨卡不构成配对比较。授权事实(必须随数字一起引用):v7 记录第 76 行写明,作业 1556/1563 两批数据依赖的 plan 原挂 #57,已被 #67 取代并关闭,因此这两批当前无有效授权。按本仓"supersession 不改写历史"的规则,它们作为历史观测保留、可引用,但不构成 #67 下的验收证据。
缺口维持:v5/v8 只有作业号,代码版本未捕获 → 永久记"未记录",不从 reflog 猜。
硬账判定(写进性能计划,不得简化)
严线 8K 9.86 ms / 32 档 9.74 ms。GEMM 在 FP8 下 8.7 ms 时,非 GEMM 预算只剩 1.16 ms(32 档 1.04 ms),而 vLLM 现在非 GEMM 就是 1.5~2 ms 的水平;同时 GEMM 本身还须从 8.7 压到 ≤8.0 ms。
三条推论:① 非 GEMM 单点优化最多做到打平,必须叠加 GEMM 对齐 DeepGEMM;② "总时间压到 11 ms 以内"是错误目标(11 ms 对严线是 1.12);③ 32 档预算更紧,任何以 8K 为设计点的优化都要在 32 档复验。
精度臂规则(新增,硬约束)
candidate 当前是 BF16 臂,靶线来自 FP8。图上 2.40× / 3.22× 是跨精度比值,只作方向指针,不作达成度,每张图每个比值必须标两侧精度。
达成度的唯一定义:candidate 自己的 FP8 臂与 vLLM 0.32.0 FP8 臂,同卡、冻结 ABBA、同客户端口径、同 n 各自测出 P50 之后相比。在 candidate 的 FP8 臂产出前,不写任何"完成百分比"。
知识条目状态
五条均为 store candidate(
state: candidate),未并入 package:store:case.qwen38-launch-and-graph-gains-cand、-graph-state-not-accumulating-cand、-fp8-baseline-measured-not-estimated-cand、-v5-timewait-retracted-cand、-v8-bucket-boundary-silent-eager-cand。入仓需限定范围 PR 与 review。运行时记录不等于已认证知识。jiangkuaixue123 commentedon Oct 22, 2026
总账 v3(目标线 9.87 / 9.74;FP8 基线 run 入账;新增环境失败行与代理口径警示)
1. 目标线统一
严线改为 8K 9.87 ms / 32 档 9.74 ms(10.17 / 10.04 × 0.97,四舍五入)。9.86 作废。中线 10.33 保留但已作废为靶线(
vllm bench serve默认无并发信号量,口径偏松)。计划侧同步:非 GEMM 预算 1.17 ms(8K)/ 1.04 ms(32 档),GEMM 仍需 ≤8.0 ms。2. 新增/修订行
5c7700d)667b4c91-5ee6-c0be-acdc-19d7903ee047/ 客户端7f3d4d90…/ fixture4f4256cc…store:case.qwen38-fp8-baseline-measured-not-estimated-cand--gres=gpu:8自动分配 + UUID 轮询,落到 02 节点 exit 4store:case.qwen38-env-pitfalls-nodelist-rpc-nvcc-cand5c7700d3. 证据包核验(InferRSI 侧复算)
evidence/qwen38-h20-fp8-single-request-vllm032:plan/results/patch/validator 四段齐,INVENTORY.json列出的 34 个文件 sha256 与字节数逐条复算一致;记录本体rerun/RUN-RECORD-fp8-baseline.md复算12e7658a0eb5e93ff71cf5a8566dc1697a4865720c351daab2b645ca94984df3,与清单一致。格式与绑定合格。4. 代理口径警示(从 1646 原始请求读出,必须随靶线一起引用)
1646 两次运行的实际输出长度是 8 token(32 档)/ 32 token(8K 档),不是 #67 要求的 2048 token:TPOT 是 7 个 / 31 个 ITL 的均值,属短请求代理。TTFT 口径不受影响;8K 档按合同生成 2048 token 时上下文从约 8.2K 涨到约 10.2K,16 层 full attention 的 KV 变长,TPOT 存在上行风险。
因此 9.87 / 9.74 记为代理口径靶线:在冻结一次 2048 输出 token 的基线之前,不得据此宣布达成或未达成;若差距只有个位数百分比,必须先排除代理偏差。
5. 达成度的前置条件(写死)
candidate 的 FP8 臂产出之前,"差多少倍"一律按方向指针表述;达成度只在 candidate FP8 臂与 vLLM FP8 臂同卡、冻结 ABBA、同客户端口径、同 n 出 P50 之后定义。若 v11 的 TPOT 仍停在 23 ms 量级,则非 GEMM 的 14 ms 未被触及,GEMM 与 DeltaNet 必须同时推进——只做一条最多打平。
jiangkuaixue123 commentedon Oct 22, 2026
总账补充:集群 commit ↔ PR 映射(patch 重放,非原 commit 推送)
仓库归属先说清:代码 PR 不在本仓(InferMatrixLab/InferRSI),而在 fork
jiangkuaixue123/nano-vllm。本仓只放合同与账目。perf/decode-launch-and-graph)perf/fp8-w8a16-gemv)凭据落在本机(gh 已授权
jiangkuaixue123),集群无凭据,因此走「集群产出 patch → 本机重放 → 推 fork → 开 PR」。原 commit 未推送到托管远端,PR 里的 sha 必然是重放后的新 sha。codex/qwen38-decode-fusion,无托管远端)5c7700d+720f196perf/decode-launch-and-graphaf9e54609733419dperf/fp8-w8a16-gemv4fe5c8a0c追溯规则:
勘误:本评论上一版把 PR 编号写在本仓语境下,容易被当成 InferRSI 的 PR(本仓 pulls/2 是无关的旧 PR)。以此版为准。
jiangkuaixue123 commentedon Oct 22, 2026
总账 v4:R11/R12/R13 的 PR 列复核结果(未能按映射填入)
按 Chief 的映射去改账之前,我先在 GitHub 上核了一遍指向。结论:这两条 PR 当前不存在,因此 PR 列暂不填链接。
复核依据(2026-10-22 11:55,
gh直查):InferMatrixLab/InferRSIpulls/2feat: bootstrap CLI experiment workbench and diffusion knowledge,作者david6666666,headfeat/cli-rsi-bootstrapInferMatrixLab/InferRSIpulls/3perf/decode-launch-and-graph或perf/fp8-w8a16-gemvjiangkuaixue123/InferRSI分支perf/*;最近的仍是codex/*与perf/minicpm-o45-l20x-throughputaf9e54609按本账"run 记录里的 sha 必须与本行一致、缺项写无、不许让人误以为已合入"的规则,我不能把不存在的链接写进账。R11/R12/R13 的 PR 列维持 无,并加注:报称已开 PR #2/#3,2026-10-22 11:55 复核在 upstream 与 fork 均未找到,待确认真实远端后改为链接。
R11/R12/R13 其余列(按群里最新事实)
5c7700dcodex/qwen38-decode-fusion(无托管远端)720f196733419d未闭合项:8K decode 第 6 步 67 ULP 未归因(job 1677 排队);归因前 R11 不转正、任何"数值语义已解释"的结论都不成立。R13 的 BK=256/
k0//128scale 索引错误(rel_err 3e-3 → 5e-1,耗时反而降低)已回退到 BK=128,记为失败细节。阶段出口(Chief 定的四阶段,记账用)
每个阶段过双门:ABBA 数值门 + logits 门(相对量 ≤1e-2 且 top1 相同)。合同口径前提不变:8K 输入 + 2048 输出 = 10240,当前 launcher cap 8320 直接超界,阶段 A 不做完,A–D 全部无法判定。
jiangkuaixue123 commentedon Oct 22, 2026
总账 v5:PR 归属修正(真链接已核验)、新增 TRADE-OFF 判定、靶线改合同口径临时线
1. PR 列修正(已实际打开链接核验)
上一条的"复核未找到"是我按本仓语境查的,代码 PR 在 fork
jiangkuaixue123/nano-vllm(parentGeeeekExplorer/nano-vllm),不在InferMatrixLab/InferRSI。现按真实链接填入并核验:5c7700d+720f196jiangkuaixue123/nano-vllm#2jiangkuaixue123/nano-vllm#2af9e54609733419djiangkuaixue123/nano-vllm#3jiangkuaixue123/nano-vllm#34fe5c8a0c行数差是 PR 更新后的当前值,以 GitHub 现值为准;追溯链:PR commit → 本机分支 → patch → 集群 commit。
新增记录规则(已写入契约):凡是指向代码的地方必须写"仓库归属 + 完整 URL",只写编号在跨仓协作里会出事——本仓
#2是一条 2024 年的无关旧 PR,引擎仓#2才是本轮的 decode PR。2. 判定列新增 TRADE-OFF,R2 补判
判定取值扩为 PASS / FAIL / INCONCLUSIVE / TRADE-OFF。允许提交"单指标净收益"的 PR,但必须四格齐全(TPOT 32 / TPOT 8K / TTFT 32 / TTFT 8K),每格带实测值、同期基线比值、n。
3% 依据:同轮基线两遍漂移 <0.5%,n=3 点估计离散度 4.6%,低于 3% 分不清真实差异与噪声。TRADE-OFF 另需开关(默认值写清,可一键回退)与描述里单独一行写劣化项。
R2 补判:TRADE-OFF(已被 v11 修复)。 TPOT 22.39% 级收益(53.03→23.39,−55.9%)对 TTFT 32 档 0.066→0.184 s。一处如实说明:单看 R2,TTFT 32 档劣化 +179%,按 3% 规则本应"不合入";它被记为 TRADE-OFF 的前提是 R2 与 v11 同批合入(v11 的桶缓存把 8K TTFT 收回 4.95 s;32 档 TTFT 尚未见 v11 后实测,仍按未修复处理)。若两者拆开合入,本行按单独合入重新判定。
3. 靶线改为合同口径(临时)
job 1678(FP8 基线,
--max-model-len 12288,两档各 1 条 2048 输出):8K TTFT 1710 ms、TPOT 10.59 ms;32 档 TPOT 10.22 ms。对代理口径 10.17 / 10.04 是 +4.1% / +1.8%,此前提示的 TPOT 上行风险成立。4. 两个未闭合项(决定 PR 能否转正)
83 passed, 1 failed;bisect:78a9c23pass →e0b15b6fail → 之后全部继承(recurrent state 对 oracle1.5e-6vs1e-6atol)git archive 5c7700d单独跑);另一假设:eager 用真实 KV 长度、图用固定桶 8448,tile/累加顺序不同 → 若 eager+手写 padding 也出 2.09,则验收改为 padding 一致的对照臂PR #2 描述必须写:"改数值语义、允许 ULP 级差、确定性可复现、8K 单步最大 2.09 abs(67 ULP)、top1 与 greedy id 全同"——不许写"偶发",也不许写"≤1 ULP"。
5. 判决资格前置
候选侧 launcher
--max-context-tokens 8320< 8192 + 2048 = 10240,现在没有合同口径的判决资格。阶段 A(抬到 11264、重设桶)完成前,candidate 侧任何数字都不是合同口径。jiangkuaixue123 commentedon Oct 22, 2026
预注册:prefill 三步出口门(在代码落地前冻结)+ 两处算术必须先定
1. 判据更正:279 不等于 280
预注册的 go 线是 280 TFLOPS,实测是 279(
8192x17408x5120),差 0.36%。记录按事实写:"279 实测、对照 280 线、偏差 0.36%",不写成"279 ≥ 280"。决策维持"接库",理由是独立于这条线的:另外两个线性形状 277 / 275 同量级(0.36% 落在单形状测量的抖动里),且步骤 1 的端到端投影 3.36 s 已经压进 3.4 s 门。偏差入账而不是四舍五入入账。
2. 三步出口门(现在冻结,测完只填结果)
③ 按当前范围结构上过不了自己的门。 两个选择必须在 ③ 开工前定,不能等测完再改口径:改成"③ 门 = 1.8 s 且允许加活",或把 ③ 扩成四件事(去掉 393 ms 的 copy,或剩余 conv 融合)。否则 ③ 是一个注定 FAIL 的步骤。
3. "持平"这条目标,①–③ 走完也到不了
持平门 = 1710 ms × 1.03 = 1761 ms。阶梯终点是 1950 ms = 1.14×,差约 190 ms,而当前计划里没有任何一步拥有这 190 ms。两个选项:
这条不写清,后面每轮都会在"为什么还没持平"上重复讨论。
4. 记录
store:case.qwen38-decide-upstream-fp8-libs-vs-own-kernels-cand已更新:验收 279/277/275/226、M=1 3 TFLOPS(1.7 TB/s)、PASS(带回 0.36% 偏差说明)、"不覆盖 decode"入 limitations。store:case.qwen38-prefill-ladder-gates-cand新建:三步门表、投影与门的差、持平门算术、③ 的结构性问题。均由KnowledgeStore.update/create落在 candidate,未改 package 内容。5. 记账口径
每步落地后按七项出记录:命中门 → PASS;未命中 → FAIL 并写"卡在哪一块"(GEMM 未达 / 融合未生效 / 依赖入口不通)。③ 若因门本身不可达而 FAIL,不算工程失败,但必须在同一行注明"门与投影矛盾,已于开工前记录"。
jiangkuaixue123 commentedon Oct 22, 2026
总账 v7:选中的库离 go 线差 2.5%、decode 结论翻转、warmup 剔除入约定
1. 280 TFLOPS 这条线:两个选项都没过,必须按"未达标"记
.so绑 torch 2.13,引擎 env 是 2.14.1 →OSErrorninja+nvcc,首调用约 76 s结论:决策维持"接库",但账上写
PASS(接 FlashInfer,离预注册 go 线差 2.5%)。之前那条"279 达 0.36% 偏差"的记录作废——那是在 vllm env 里测的 DeepGEMM,选中的选项是 273。不许把 273 写成达标。① 的出口门因此极窄:273 TFLOPS 对应 GEMM 1.61 s,投影合计 3.38 s 对门 3.4 s,余量 0.6%。折算不算通过,必须实测稳态。
2. decode 的权重流:结论翻转,但仍要给实测
M=1 3273 GB/s → 27 GB / 3.27 TB/s ≈ 8.3 ms,落在 8.7 ms 的 GEMM 预算内。所以"decode 权重流必须自研 w8a16"改为"接同一条 FlashInfer 的 M=1 路径",w8a16 自研 kernel 降级为备选。
但 8.3 ms 是单形状微基准的下限,不是端到端 decode:64 层里 qkv/o_proj/gate_up/down 形状各不相同,还要加 per-token×K128 的动态激活量化开销。非 GEMM 预算因此从 1.22 / 1.57 ms 放宽到 1.62 / 1.97 ms(32 档 / 8K),这 0.4 ms 是口径变化,不许当收益。
3. 数值语义声明(PR 必写)
激活量化 = per-token × K128 动态;权重用 checkpoint 自带的
weight_scale_inv,布局[N/128, K/128]原样使用。这两条任一改动都会移动数值,按契约 §八 必须显式声明。4. 环境:坑扩到六条,登记表待核验
新增三条与 nodelist / RPC / nvcc 同源:
/tmp是节点本地(登录节点准备、计算节点执行 →ModuleNotFoundError,job 1686,已重提 1762);PyPI 的deep_gemm是抢注假包(18 KB sdist);vendored.so绑定 torch 小版本。引擎 env 新增
flashinfer-python==0.7.0.post1+ninja,我暂不登记到 env 表:链路断着,拿不到确切路径与实际版本,按"未知标待核验"处理,恢复后由优化师给路径、我补登记。5. 约定新增(已写入记录契约)
OSError,得到"参照臂也不行"的假结论。jiangkuaixue123 commentedon Oct 22, 2026
状态更新 2026-10-22:decode 侧三件合入、内部工程门变更、数值诊断口径
本条只追加记录,不改本 Issue 正文与已冻结的验收目标。以下内容分两类,请勿混用。
1. 候选侧代码身份更新(candidate 从占位符变为具体 SHA)
jiangkuaixue123/nano-vllm,main = 3f7516a_IncrementalText字节安全增量解码、契约测试tests/test_qwen38_decode_contracts.pyin_proj_*、MLP gate/up 各合成一次 matmul,只保留一份权重)af9e546,而描述写的是评审版0ad392f;缺失部分已由 PR docs: OmniRSI repo template (RSI Team chapters) #4 补齐,补齐后main的树与评审版逐字节一致。这条不隐藏。2. 与 #67 验收目标的关系(本段不是性能结论)
#67 的目标是 8K / 64K / 128K、2048 输出、候选/基线 TTFT 与 TPOT 比值各 ≤ 1.03。
当前实测(仅 8K 档、生成 32 token、非 #67 验收口径,仅作工程进度):
3f7516a未达 parity(≤1.03),64K 与 128K 未测。任何"加速倍数"表述都不成立。
3. 内部工程门变更(仅约束我们自己的合并动作,不改变 #67 门)
这两条只用于内部合并判断,不进入 #67 的验收判定。
4. 新增启动成本(部署口径变更,必须记录)
启动时预抓 5 个 CUDA Graph 桶(256/1024/2048/4096/8448):
server start < prewarm.start < prewarm.end ≤ ready < first_probe,两轮均成立这是用约 1.8 GiB 显存换 8K 首请求的 0.17 s capture。不接受该成本时可关
NANOVLLM_CUDA_GRAPH。5. 数值诊断口径(按本 Issue "diagnostics" 定位执行,不作 gate)
max_abs、按 bf16 ULP 折算、top1 是否相同。0ad392f(融合前)vs3f7516a(融合后)。投影融合改变累加顺序,必须按上述口径复核。6. 已知限制
RuntimeError,不实现每引擎独立 pool。isfinite校验(每步.all().item()会插入同步并阻断 capture),prefill 仍校验。GatedRMSNorm的silu由 fp32 改为按x.dtype计算,属数值路径变更。state_dict键变为qkv_proj/in_proj_fused/gate_up_proj,只影响导出,不影响推理。7. 未解决项
8. 授权
本批 decode 数据此前挂在一张已关闭的验收单下,现按本 Issue 重新 freeze:candidate
3f7516a、baseline vLLM 0.32.0 FP8、测量脚本与作业号(1712 / 1717 / 1723 / 1756 / 1757 / 1759 / 1761)均已留存。数据本身不重跑。完整测量记录与证据见 PR 正文:jiangkuaixue123/nano-vllm#5 (融合)与 pull/4(契约与预热)。
jiangkuaixue123 commentedon Oct 22, 2026
数值判据拆成两级(改判记录,2026-10-22)
本条记录一次判据变更及其理由,供后续评审追溯。这是改判,不是 PASS。
触发
第二层(同一引擎 graph vs eager)与跨树回测暴露出:单靠端到端 ULP 阈值会把两类完全不同的东西混成一个 FAIL。
任何合法 kernel 改动(哪怕只是换 cuBLAS 版本)都会产生第二类放大。用端到端 ULP 一票否决,等于禁止全部 kernel 级优化。
新判据
一级不过 = 不准入。一级过、二级越线 = 允许合入但必须在 PR 记录,且三级未做前不得声明等价或加速结论。三级不达标 = 回滚。
已按新判据处理的项
3f7516a)C1a 尚存的矛盾(未解决前不下结论)
算子级复核(作业 1821)报告
normed与F.rms_norm(x+mixed)最大绝对差 0.0、100% 元素相同;但端到端(1825)32 档仍是 28.06 ULP。两者不可能同时成立:算子逐位一致则整树必须逐位一致。已安排 1827 逐层重测(调用前先 clone,避免上次参考值吃到被改写残差的问题)裁决。两处此前陈述的更正
fused_add_rms只存在于未合并的 C1a 树,main-3f7516a中grep fused_add_rms= 0。第三层那 2% 需另找原因。第三层现状(对 vLLM 0.32.0 + Qwen3.8-27B-FP8 单卡)
拆解(只取两侧前缀相同的前 3 步):
结论:不可互换。 依据是 2% > 1% 的既定容差;同时必须并列写明——该移动量与 vLLM 自身 BF16→FP8 的移动量同量级,没有证据指向某一侧存在 bug。ids 层面 8/8 全同、top1 全同,与分布层面的 2% 是两个口径,不得只引用其一。
机器与偏离
上述 C1a / C3 判定作业跑在
vllm-sgp-h20-05(--any-gpu降级),ref 与 cand 同作业同卡,比较内部有效;物理卡不是667b4c91,属已声明偏离,最终合并证据需回该卡复跑。jiangkuaixue123 commentedon Oct 22, 2026
C1a 矛盾已解,并新增一条方法学约束:算子级门必须用真实激活
结论:此前两条陈述都成立,它们是两个层级
即:不是某一步算错,是 64 层 × 25 步把每次 ≤2 ULP 的归约顺序差放大到混沌步上。 此前"算子级 0.0"与"端到端 28 ULP"看似矛盾,实为不同层级。
同树消融(唯一变量确认)
ref 树干净、cand 只差一个算子、回退路径与 ref 逐位等价。
方法学约束(新增,长期有效)
算子级准入不得使用合成/随机数据。 此前一次算子级对照用温和随机数得到"最大绝对差 0.0、100% 元素相同"的假阴性——随机数不触发归约顺序差,只有真实激活的幂律极端值才会。此后算子级门必须:真实激活、包住一次完整 decode 步的全部调用(本项为 64 次/步)、报告"残差逐位相同与否 / 归一化单次最大 ULP / 差异元素比例"。
已要求判定方用自己的抓取框架独立重算,不得直接引用实现方的数字。
C1a(PR #6)当前状态
同步更正
上一轮记录的"C1a 算子级 0.0、端到端 28 ULP 二者不可同时成立"这一说法作废——成立的是"两者量的是不同层级"。
jiangkuaixue123 commentedon Oct 22, 2026
C1a 已合入(一级通过),候选身份更新为
83b567c83b567c(main)tl.sum归约顺序判定由
benchmark和精度测评执行者用自己的挂钩框架独立完成(作业 1836),未跑实现方脚本;并与实现方模板在inputs.pt上做逐次复算对齐(作业 1838/1839)。ULP 口径口径差异已澄清
同一份
inputs.pt上,两种 ULP 约定下max_abs与差异元素数逐次一致,只有分母不同:实现方用相对 eps(|x|·2^-8),判定方用 binade 步长(2^(floor(log2|x|)-7)),后者恒为前者的 1–2 倍。此后一律用 binade,引用相对 eps 数字须注明最多放大 2 倍。当前未决
3f7516a)与 C1a(83b567c)都不得用于任何"等价"或加速结论,直到 GSM8K / HumanEval+ / MMLU 与 vLLM 差 ≤0.01。prompt_logprobs参照臂已修好,待出最终"能否互换"答案。当前 3 步结论为不可互换(normse ~2%)。jiangkuaixue123 commentedon Oct 22, 2026
第三层 32 步版(
prompt_logprobs):结论仍为不可互换,且尾部发散被暴露作业 1837,参照 vLLM 0.32.0 + Qwen3.8-27B-FP8 单卡,两侧同 checkpoint。
此前 3 步版(只能比同前缀的前 3 步)给的是 1.5–2.2%。扩到 32 步后,同类指标升到 1.5–26%,说明分歧在序列尾部显著放大,而不是评测方法变严。ids 层面 32/32 全同与分布层面不可互换,两个口径必须并列写,不得只引用其一。
质量评估的协议适配(已声明偏离)
run.py要求每条响应同时具备首块prompt_token_ids与逐块token_ids。我们的引擎侧可由适配层补齐;vLLM 0.32 的 OpenAI completion schema 无return_token_ids(已核对vllm/entrypoints/openai/protocol.py),故 baseline 必然拒绝。决定:在 vLLM 前加一层 normalizer,请求
logprobs=1,把 vLLM 自身返回的logprobs.token_ids提升为choices[].token_ids;不改 vLLM、不改冻结的run.py。约束:logprobs=1各跑一次,最终文本必须完全一致,否则该方案作废;同时记录候选侧适配层:
main-83b567c-api(仅改 server API、不动模型,server.pysha2564ecb848c…),作业 1853 证明与main-83b567c逐位相同(0.00 ULP、top1 全同),因此质量分可归因到83b567c本身。304 remaining items
jiangkuaixue123 commentedon Oct 26, 2026
Prospective tile64/N8 CPU compile discriminator, model plane; no GPU allocation.
Freeze
ff025f38162e40b48c23a2608ab42929c5fcd5ec4ad37dffb5c23dbf75117622binds the exact reviewed source archiveb79563f1bf36a9cbd9832d94b802c676ebb854139112ed0d11dd43d224bec513(18 files), compiler manifest8f3043d4ca7d52062f24ab06cc5071124a5dbb1e5560b1e336275810c509736cand unchanged47-file runtime payload60e05ddc7dc9553e98df5bdaf89e3496b884f615a50e6b26ea8727c752fa1bd5.Four functions only: original N8 controls and fixed output64/token8/four-stage/math80/grid156 candidates for N5120/K6144 and K17408. Official FP8 bytes/scales, K128 promotion/accumulation order and BF16 output are unchanged. Source, compiler, parent helper and actual inactive composition reviews found no blocker. Compiler review
d47e497a07ff8b65e625b20d1734b51567760e9c15e087c7a670c545fb366c4c; composition reviewb9c4042e517059a801ded8e5eaeb97ff900e44a72b8f3bac8d47675c6c1bbd12. All50 authored copies and47 payloads authenticate.One submission/no requeue/no retry: 8 CPUs,16 GiB,300 seconds,0 GPUs. Preserve exact registered toolchain/flags, one dependency pass, one shared build, three cuobjdump captures, actual before/after identities, genuine partial/error output and bounded owned cleanup. Library is retained as bytes, never loaded; no CUDA API/model/Graph execution. Literal ALL uses a fully replaced sanitized client environment. Stop without alternate flags, source, sweep or fallback on failure/unresolved evidence. Actual initial REG/static storage/spills/register-pool legality remain UNKNOWN until independent emitted-code review; math80 is only a source request, not compiled allocation or occupancy.
Search budget remains 21535 actual +0 reserved /28800 GPU-seconds,7265 remaining. This CPU-only trial reserves/charges zero GPU-seconds. Both engines stay non-speculative; formal acceptance remains INCONCLUSIVE. Actual job/terminal outcome will be recorded separately.
Parallel L0/L1 preparation corrected an initial scope assumption: retained2960/2887 data supports the prequantized GEMM consumer only, not the upstream producer. Future microbenchmarks will explicitly exclude producer cost and cannot justify service gains. No BF16 input reconstruction or extra capture was performed; later integrated HTTP evidence remains required.
jiangkuaixue123 commentedon Oct 26, 2026
CPU2984 compiler discriminator independently reviewed; no compiler/resource/code blocker for a separately frozen fixed L0/L1 step.
Job2984 COMPLETED0:0 in9 seconds,8 CPUs/16 GiB/0 GPUs, no requeue/restarts and released. Dependency pass, one shared build and three cuobjdump captures all exit0; all five owned groups clean up completely. Source, guarded718 tool/header identities and three runtime-command identities match before/after. This is 72 allocated CPU-seconds and zero GPU-seconds, counted once; search remains21535 actual+0 reserved/28800.
Exact library
e4eb91a8fd55786b50c29a409f5e7bd9571093ae7c69c9c86a347460e1dcf535(174560 bytes), never loaded. Both new output64/N8/four-stage functions have actualREG80 with256 threads; controls haveREG168 with384 threads. All four haveSTACK0/LOCAL0/staticSHARED1024 and no detected local spill accesses. Function-specific PTX/SASS confirms warpgroup-uniform dec40/inc80 candidates (inc232 controls), no CTA-private register-pool deficit, native FP8 WGMMA and BF16 x2 stores. Actual static storage and source dynamic memory remain separate; no occupancy/residency claim.Capture archive
a6b93480412d5db231659d812a4fdc330e2eb208d650ff44731ecdcd5f4c47fe, manifest0572cbe0fd17b957198163063340c40f9ecaa3251551c1c7946c618f6677c91e: all113 payloads plus manifest authenticated, zero exclusions. Independent report6f648269cda66c3c37bf691d3750aa96f6572cf3224ca17f408ac85cb0318587, integrity1c6ff72273c91951e3bbbfdb2e7591b8c66c36e879b176d93b992741ace0854d, resource table4c7cb74e92245134ad7a484cd8c5c160e2776b5922548f354f57940400824188.The two-case prequantized-consumer L0/L1 package is independently source-reviewed (
91f730f8dcb41bfc898646dc8061c147aa17079609df4222e9054b4d5ad073cc) and is being bound to these actual artifacts. No GPU reservation or run yet. Runtime numerical equality, forward progress, Graph safety and speed remain untested; formal campaign verdict INCONCLUSIVE. Both engines remain non-speculative; no source/flag retry or sweep occurred.jiangkuaixue123 commentedon Oct 26, 2026
Prospective fixed tile64/N8 L0/L1 screen (model plane; both engines remain non-speculative).
Exact freeze
34c7af2bd0ccce0e2435f96006b419f3cdbad84497599f431e5db51414192266; executor payload1f729a6c4cfa6db0eb3a30a4050875627c4a16f72b5b2e79d5963f9e1dc41784(41 files). It binds actual CPU2984 librarye4eb91a8fd55786b50c29a409f5e7bd9571093ae7c69c9c86a347460e1dcf535, all105 compiled-closure files and independent emitted-code/resource review6f648269cda66c3c37bf691d3750aa96f6572cf3224ca17f408ac85cb0318587. Parent helper review84461f5c846bfc528ea3ab55ec0839d0b98a87049bb66a0f056a5f9a6be93a34and actual composition reviewb4b5b55814151b4b827990d0e108b2da694b3c98f77725fdacbe0b4a08c9028efound no actionable blocker. Only four pending metadata bindings changed; numerical/timing/input source is unchanged.Workload: two retained prequantized consumers, GDN output N5120/K6144 and MLP down N5120/K17408; official first-layer weights/scales, retained first/last q/scales, exact native-reference checks. Controls use output128/N8/S8/math232; candidates output64/N8/S4/math80. Strict finite bit identity is required across original/changed/restored eager, Graph, native-oracle, cross-policy, ownership and trace checks. Timing retains32 alternating pairs per case (128 targets); conditioning is outside each target event. This excludes upstream producer and E2E cost and cannot award a service gain or residency claim.
Reserve480 GPU-seconds now within the existing search phase:21535 actual +480 reserved /28800,6785 unreserved. One allocation,1GPU/8CPU/16GiB/480s; no requeue, retry, variant, tolerance, rebuild or fallback. Sanitized replacement client environment with literal ALL export; preserve Slurm device visibility. Exact package will be activated only after this reservation is recorded in knowledge. Retain all partials, cleanup and terminal evidence. CPU2984 review is complete; its9s/8CPU used zeroGPU.
Scope remains8K/2048/C1, ≥25% TTFT or TPOT improvement with ≤5% regression under the approved formal statistics and unchanged quality gates. This screen is INCONCLUSIVE for that campaign; it is not a vLLM baseline refresh or formal acceptance.
jiangkuaixue123 commentedon Oct 26, 2026
Tile64/N8 L0/L1 job2986 completed and independently reviewed; reject this fixed candidate for engine integration.
Under prospective freeze
34c7af2bd0ccce0e2435f96006b419f3cdbad84497599f431e5db51414192266, the two conditioned prequantized consumers were correct but slower:All4 eager,12 Graph,12 native-oracle,6 cross-policy,2 retained-reference and4 actual trace checks completed, with128 target timings. No tolerance or fallback; changing/restored q/scales, every output slice, stable ownership and exact selected kernels verified. Actual CPU2984 library
e4eb91a8fd55786b50c29a409f5e7bd9571093ae7c69c9c86a347460e1dcf535was loaded without rebuild. Before/after guards agree and owned cleanup is complete. These are consumer-only observations, not upstream producer, E2E, occupancy or residency gains; no statistical-significance claim.Capture archive
e13590bf6fd8194527ff9011ecb43b2794d827de238e236ee1c0ec94ac8d5269(2862618 bytes), manifest19cb46659c69a03d4db0f45ee3d83aa3721e9d54570464c013cdd381aa9623c7:201 payloads/202 regular archive members, zero exclusions, full105-file compiled closure plus bound operands/index. Independent reviewf2bf6079e07463723bc7f7359c867575299aa5cde793fb7ae9b68f2759b83310, integrity6ecbd150efd23110f932e82bdf59437882892122e4e0a38127086275fdd71771, reproduced the exact frozen audit byte-for-byte and separately recomputed all paired timings.Terminal state COMPLETED0:0,40s,1GPU/8CPU/16GiB, no requeue/restarts; owner queue empty. Charge40 GPU-seconds once and release440 reserved: search21575 actual +0 reserved /28800;7225 remaining. CPU2984 remains zeroGPU. This negative result and aborted integration preparation are retained in knowledge. No engine commit/PR is appropriate for this regressing candidate; no E2E job will be spent on it.
Both engines remain non-speculative. Campaign25%/5% and task-quality acceptance remain INCONCLUSIVE. Next bounded work is bottleneck/headroom discrimination; generic96GB H20 or H100 peaks must not be substituted for the authenticated H20-3e SKU.
jiangkuaixue123 commentedon Oct 26, 2026
Prospective current-engine Graph diagnostic, harness plane; both engines remain non-speculative.
Freeze
3462b605bcf694612ed8249f3619c4abd0f11bd193a0edc599c94878abb962a9binds merged source44ca6732f466be233e1ef06ecbde1813b4de5002, treebe17d2be5ed92a71df7d2ca405ec769495c36226(the2970 tested tree), exact2970 options,45 immutable runtime payloads and10 unchanged native artifacts. Author manifest8062faf6d8e4d8699569f0173ede333e4d2165f6ddd988b00ec4c6f72b4623a5; payload0cb44e7f7aabf11526e34c04c33e81b6872be0d6757e1d26c84e6ee4bfe14c8f. Independent source review767e288295954c7025312d7f6d0fb21302583858cca2683fa58ce0f5b1169e69and helper review25ff4b6646ef5f1e7e3518c78c7c147550109119112bc59141604e42638a8e1ffound no blocker. Parent authenticated actual composition; no engine algorithm change.Workload: fixed n8192-s0; production full-context prewarm; ordinary8-append CUDA-event measurements followed by a separate8-append Torch trace. A separate same-history process performs7 ordinary appends, then NCU selects exactly one prepared production Graph replay at position8199; input fills/bookkeeping stay outside profiling. Full BF16 vocabulary bytes,128 live-state tensors/metadata and all predictions must match normal/trace/NCU. Each process uses unchanged eager production builds and retained build evidence.
NCU2025.3.1.0 fixed ELF and67 packaged files are bound; no completeOS/driver closure is claimed. Fixed whole-Graph/kernel replay, one launch, five hardware metrics plus two replay statistics, cache-control none/clock-control none, explicit stable pipeline boost, config off and stock deployment disabled. These are profiler observations, not production/E2E timings or per-consumer hardware attribution. Metric query success is not counter permission. Unsupported/denied collection terminates without alternate metrics, escalation or retry; normal trace and all partials remain available, with a normal-only audit unable to mark the entire diagnostic complete.
Reserve900 GPU-seconds now: 21575 actual +900 reserved /28800;6325 unreserved. OneGPU/eightCPU/96GiB/900s, no requeue;780s phase bound plus120s margin. LiteralALL exports only the sanitized replacement environment. Owned cleanup, pre/post guards, terminal accounting and complete critical result capture remain required. Activation follows this Issue and knowledge reservation; no vLLM rerun or final acceptance is included.
The rejected2986 result and source-derived headroom memo are retained. This run will distinguish current Graph gaps from dominant kernel costs and, if counters are available, measure aggregate physical traffic. Logical model bytes are not measured HBM traffic; exact H20-3e ceilings remain unknown. Formal8K/2048/C1 25%/5% and task-quality acceptance remain INCONCLUSIVE.
jiangkuaixue123 commentedon Oct 26, 2026
Current-engine diagnostic2990 failed before model execution. Terminal FAILED1:0/8s; the allocation is released. Allocation/tool checks passed, but the first NCU package path check rejected. The original log records only the combined
NCU input pathpredicate; it does not identify which entry or whether the cause was absence, file type or canonical-path mismatch. Do not attribute a specific node/tool mismatch without new evidence.Normal/model/NCU profiling were NOT_RUN. Applicable tool postguards agree and postflight completed; no owned model/profiler child started. Campaign/result INCONCLUSIVE. Full capture archive
3e300e517649c078ad0fc035c6066cf217c35b6edf00cf0d57b8813911682734, manifestf48c3300f7f973c339adb3d68e87202def8da98f6dd137db0bbd0df6894ae197,235 payloads/zero exclusions. Independent outcome review1155f3deaa8187d5629995f4ecb08df7af397e15e0ef1f4bc5fcaa7960a74abf, integritycce7c610f4b3da861a5e0c5b4edefd15b8ed5c3aa4b9ab43c6177c23a04738b3, confirms the failure and bounded evidence.Charge8 GPU-seconds once/release892: search21583 actual +0 reserved /28800;7217 remaining. No retry of the frozen job.
Next is a separate zero-GPU metadata intake on the actual prior compute node, because system-tool paths are node-local: fixed67-file inventory, path/type/canonical-path observations and hashes only when the expected path condition holds. No CUDA, model or NCU execution. Freeze
530167b9dcde7b8a21b1f22e560e7cf0c5383c76faff9bb3fad64de80cf5f3d0; one60s allocation,2CPU/2GiB,zeroGPU,no requeue. GPU ledger unchanged. A prospective harness repair separately moves NCU checks after ordinary capture so missing tools cannot suppress the ordinary trace, and retains offending-entry diagnostics; v1 remains frozen. No new GPU reservation or activation is authorized by this metadata record.jiangkuaixue123 commentedon Oct 26, 2026
CPU-only actual-node intake2993 completed under freeze
530167b9dcde7b8a21b1f22e560e7cf0c5383c76faff9bb3fad64de80cf5f3d0: COMPLETED0:0,1 second,2 allocated CPUs,zero GPU TRES,no requeue/restarts,released. This follow-up is separate from failed2990 and does not rewrite its anonymous original error.New evidence resolves availability on the actual2990 node: the toolkit dispatcher is byte-identical, but all66 bound versioned2025.3.1 paths are missing (FileNotFoundError); the observed installed directory is2025.3.0. Thus the head-node2025.3.1 inventory was not portable to that compute node. No NCU executable,CUDA or model was invoked in2993; existence of2025.3.0 alone does not qualify its executable,metrics or counter permissions.
All8 captured files, exact frozen payloads, actual-node equality, terminal allocation and queue absence verified. Capture manifest
4d27fa9ef769de78eeeea54cde8e6f5ed7080344b6ee75b53c17f334d616efcb; raw intake0d2454e36d70bfcb3c2298319a33e8650c8acc7ba64779fe356dc5bc3b5e3573. Allocated2 CPU-seconds,0 GPU cost: search remains 21583 actual +0 reserved /28800;7217 remaining.Prospective v2 runtime repair independently reviewed with no blocker (
a394f21c648cf37a55417d43bc3c6ffc6abab4ffbda2624c7ad80eb02c9881e8): ordinary capture precedes NCU preflight and failed tool checks name the offending entry. Tool binding remains PENDING and activation false. Next tool qualification will explicitly identify the version used; no silent substitution, guard weakening, new GPU reservation or retry.Fairness is unchanged: both engines are non-speculative. N8 is the FP8 MMA tile width, not speculative decoding. Any future speculation comparison would be a separately frozen matched configuration, outside this ordinary-decoding campaign. Formal8K/2048/C1 25%/5% and quality acceptance remain INCONCLUSIVE.
jiangkuaixue123 commentedon Oct 26, 2026
Prospective zero-GPU actual-node tool qualification, after2993 established that the head2025.3.1 package is absent on the compute node. Explicitly select the existing2025.3.0 package for a new metadata-only attempt; no silent replacement of frozen2990 or activation of pending profiling-v2.
Freeze
5a8b5b697cb05299021b5ceae1a9075e7b9ef7dfe104694fc3a5fa2838a427f0, author manifestffa03370232fa0372456c629af7d12a5e1402eb1c9220ddc3f7fa9b3aa38d436. One60-second,2CPU/2GiB,zeroGPU/no-requeue allocation on the observed2993 node. Read the same67 selected relative files using actual3.0 hashes; retain static ELF names,bundled manuals/EULA,finite directory listings and pre/post identities. Execute only the fixed versioned ELF's config-off --version and --help once each,10-second caps plus bounded owned process-group cleanup,clean replacement environment/task-owned write paths and preserved Slurm visibility. No model,target application,metric/device query,installation or counter collection.Parent reviewed the actual source and authenticated its payloads. Initial local-only source explicitly hid device visibility; corrected before execution to preserve Slurm values, with earlier hashes retained in provenance. Any missing selected file,command error or identity drift remains a failed/incomplete intake; no automatic retry. Tool identity/help does not establish metric availability,counter permission or full OS/driver closure. Search stays21583actual+0reserved/28800;7217remaining,zeroGPU cost/reservation. Formal campaign remains INCONCLUSIVE; both engines non-speculative.
jiangkuaixue123 commentedon Oct 26, 2026
Actual-node metadata2995 completed: COMPLETED0:0/1s/2CPU,zero allocated GPU TRES,no requeue/restarts,released. Both fixed config-off --version/--help commands returned0. Actual existing version is2025.3.0.0 build36273991; all67 selected file identities match before/after. Fixed ELF is65326992 bytes, SHA
064645ab3a19d71d4ac856b9f6af3e1e234fd870907a84dcf1e81933302721de.Capture manifest
5dc9686af2c09fe9cb0f33e9d85804a8621d41d46911ebb73bc78faa4772e9c7authenticates20 retained files; inventorybb1a4061b0f245943f195f39754b0a4646bdd99edc383d8bf99df281144fe7d2; receiptaa13a9dbddb888cc82e48e3c970f9af40832e6a098c36d85df0528272c32cf4c. Parent verified frozen inputs, all captured bytes, source-node equality, allocation and queue absence. Independent intake inspection confirms the same facts. Only static ELF dependency names are retained, not a completeOS/driver closure.Actual help/manuals support the intended existing whole-Graph/kernel-replay, one-launch, start/stop, cache-none/clock-none/stable-boost and profiling/stats query controls. This is CLI metadata qualification only: device metric availability,counter permission,injection and actual profiling remain untested. Prospective profiling-v2 will explicitly bind this3.0 version and its node, preserve ordinary capture before NCU, and receive a new exact review/freeze before GPU activation. No workload,numerical or metric policy change is introduced.
Allocated2 CPU-seconds,zeroGPUcost. Search remains21583actual+0reserved/28800,7217remaining. The earlier local-only visibility source was corrected before the successful run; frozen2990 failure is unchanged. Both engines remain non-speculative; formal performance/quality remains INCONCLUSIVE.
jiangkuaixue123 commentedon Oct 26, 2026
Prospective current-engine Graph diagnostic v2 is frozen after actual-node tool qualification; harness plane, both engines non-speculative.
Freeze
9b2f691153ee8a5cb223bfa80e92d89682e1904a7b59ffc1029a559e47ea34d7binds merged44ca6732f466be233e1ef06ecbde1813b4de5002/treebe17d2be5ed92a71df7d2ca405ec769495c36226, unchanged2970 options/source/numerics,48 immutable runtime payloads and10 unchanged native artifacts. Author manifeste50b4e4460bf325407b1a302a518f9f9a930bb7b92159fcfb6c572b8745255ac; payloadf40aa83cdbece9510afb8d5eb35ba7e9d2306ef9cbfe18bd986b22b1289c5a02. Independent runtime reviewea1ef96827e24c6eca40b07ce4cbce7154e00092274d8d676e0979bd1f6ddd98and helper review10f74eb7029a9d4c58c5fdf752172d6cf51a879522c19f630da9844259fc7a74found no blocker. Helper manifest64d3e1e8e24a585773410541788cb37adfd54b5f54cdbf36f2f2e4d89e3e0ca6; parent authenticated actual composition.This is a new bounded diagnostic, preserving failed2990. Ordinary8-append event timing and separate8-append Torch trace now complete before NCU preflight; file errors retain their offending identity. Explicitly bind actual2995 Nsight Compute2025.3.0.0/build36273991/ELF064645ab, exact67-file inventory and observed node. Node constraint is required by the local tool installation. No silent fallback or substituted metrics. Same fixed n8192-s0,10240 prewarm,one preparedGraph atposition8199 for whole-Graph/kernel-replay counters. Full BF16 vocabulary/state/history equality, unchanged normal production builds and postguards remain required. Unsupported metrics/denied counters terminate without retry; separately complete ordinary evidence remains usable under the normal-only audit, with overall INCONCLUSIVE.
Reserve900 GPU-seconds now: 21583 actual +900 reserved /28800;6317 unreserved. OneGPU/8CPU/96GiB/900seconds,no-requeue;780-second phase bound+120margin. No vLLM rerun or formal acceptance is included. Counter timing/traffic are profiler observations, not production or per-operator gains. Exact workload/device metric support,injection and permission remain to be tested. Both25%/5% performance and quality acceptance remain INCONCLUSIVE.
jiangkuaixue123 commentedon Oct 26, 2026
Diagnostic2998 ended FAILED1:0/102s before normal or NCU workloads. The exact dependency log identifies a packaging omission: unchanged qk_runtime_guard.py reads primary-source/provenance.json, but that file was absent from the frozen diagnostic package. Installed Triton drift was not established; the expected-source file could not be read. The earlier source review missed this read dependency. Declared manifest verification alone did not establish complete file-read closure.
All266 captured payloads authenticate: archive
554a5f7948540d1869468dc7f53a76a7688472fb8068eb0638625b7f18b4f625(3775552B), manifestcbb473df107fa9feced07278767925ba0923224ef9e06dfaea6750b7e1748780,zero exclusions. Independent review50d3db4ad59f46ffb020fb96e116876895afb77bc13ccf145295e9e3f3592d7b, integrity7715a0f05843655b864c6bdde5cc4f3b1d6c0484dd9074bb76e98ceac32f4d8b. Model/tool pre/post snapshots agree and applicable finalizers completed. The dependency-before group only partly ran; dependency-after did not run. No owned model/profiler child or library build started. Normal/state/counter/performance outcomes are NOT_RUN, overall INCONCLUSIVE.Allocation released; charge102GPU-seconds once/release798 reserved: search21685 actual +0 reserved /28800;7115 remaining. No retry of2998. The original freeze/evidence remain unchanged.
Separate minimal v3 preparation restores the exact317-byte provenance file from the authenticated2970 donor without changing its expected compiler hash or any model/workload/metric policy. Before another GPU allocation, run the full dependency metadata group with zero GPUs and inspect adjacent literal read dependencies. This repairs packaging, not numerical/performance behavior. Both engines remain non-speculative; final25%/5% and quality acceptance stay open.
jiangkuaixue123 commentedon Oct 26, 2026
Prospective zero-GPU dependency preflight before any next GPU attempt. Freeze
f5a9f6289dca2f7cb2a55e43eec00993c242a6abe35dc6101a6458ca5fb3036bbinds v3 author0efd177a669130320132e41397d5b412f920e86a70a942cbe5034c5f92bcab8band immutable49 payload03a5983091da8c6095e6e047cdfd5b7678d537fc9b851269d2063760c877ffb9, including the exact restored317-byte compiler provenance. All Python/shell/runtime behavior is unchanged fromv2; only this missing input and budget metadata were corrected. Source review5741ce94 confirms the bounded repair, not runtime correctness.Stage exactly51 package members (49payload+payloadinventory+authormanifest) and10 unchanged native artifacts in a fresh task. On the known tool node, run the unchanged full six-check dependencies-before group (20s), compiler-file guard(10s), and NCU file-only snapshot(10s), with5s termination grace each. One60s/2CPU/2GiB/zeroGPU/no-requeue allocation. Clean replacement environment matches the GPU harness; preserve Slurm visibility. No model initialization, native load, NCU executable, metrics or fabricated probe. Historical accepted-FA3 evidence remains historical. Inputs checked before/after; partial/timeout results stay incomplete.
CPU author manifest
fc8de77b48bdd8f20d7a963ed49c2d7cc9fe54fbf7fadea2cb987c28ac68d555; independent source review97f8ec13329e8072988077a40e73e391956d91bb6350a69a65fb7abc0ca9f872found no blocker. Parent inspected the actual sources and bounded staging/submission. This is a separate metadata attempt, not retry2998. GPU ledger remains21685actual+0reserved/28800,7115remaining. ActualCPU success is mandatory before prospectiveGPU qualification; no GPU reservation yet.jiangkuaixue123 commentedon Oct 27, 2026
CPU dependency preflight3005 completed successfully under freezef5a9f628: COMPLETED0:0/5s/2CPU,zeroGPU TRES,no requeue/restarts,released. All three phases returned0: the entire unchanged six-check dependencies-before group,compiler-file guard,and NCU file snapshot. All eight required receipts exist,all51 staged package/10native files remain unchanged,and the restored compiler provenance matches the actual installed compiler.py digest. This closes the specific omitted-file prerequisite without a GPU retry.
Capture manifest
f49881317e81e52b0210c1df44a84b1bf61026c10fb074dfaeaa8e5ed9f93052authenticates84 files. Completionddbf9e85bd3191653c26e6ba8fb33c0eebb07ab4338f23465c8e1ac05f30254c, terminal9dc47eea213fbaeb13f6590cadf3e0c02b514cfcef05e2e6d80890301b906c65. Parent verified actual artifact and terminal evidence; independent outcome reviewced5339b34d75f7ccfad93e0dd70d3962f41fcc647d1e0fad42617d62a1c7a65, integrityee0b1ef301e1df78fb2aadbee4e3205b9e73164ab9a58365061dfae9e8faab3aagrees. All67 NCU packaged-file identities are available on the observed node; no NCU executable,model,native load or performance measurement was performed. Historical acceptedFA3 evidence is not a fresh library-load result.Allocated10CPU-seconds,zeroGPUcost. Search remains 21685actual+0reserved/28800;7115remaining. Prospective v3 helper now binds this real CPU success before qualification; no GPU reservation/activation yet. Source/runtime/numerical/metric policy stays unchanged except the restored authenticated provenance input. Formal performance/quality remains INCONCLUSIVE; both engines non-speculative.
jiangkuaixue123 commentedon Oct 27, 2026
Prospective diagnostic v3 freeze after successful real CPU3005 preflight:
a5f9a807ede4f8f6a286d6e7fa079543920ccf937009c79629cbfbd725f72449.Author0efd177a669130320132e41397d5b412f920e86a70a942cbe5034c5f92bcab8b/payload03a5983091da8c6095e6e047cdfd5b7678d537fc9b851269d2063760c877ffb9 include49 immutable files and the exact restored compiler provenance. Runtime Python/shell,merged44ca6732/treebe17d2be,2970 options,numerics,workload,metrics and native10 artifacts are unchanged. Runtime review5741ce94866978434ee9560a517b7a57af2060eb824132618a11ae7c0bb48d88 and final helper review8a2a8f883336ee376c5d1faf32df6101c89bcb32297c1c6614e6f30a8dc62483 found no blocker. Parent authenticated actual composition. Helper73a0f829afa2c2dafa8b367cd454449f3f97944b24cf492d6c545e00e16e5048 requires exact captured CPU3005 success before prepare/activation; its binding is in this freeze.
Reserve900 GPU-seconds now: 21685 actual +900 reserved /28800;6215 unreserved. OneGPU/8CPU/96GiB/900s,no requeue,one attempt on the tool-qualified node. Ordinary8-append event/trace collection precedes the optional fixed whole-Graph NCU collection, with unchanged complete state/logit/history checks,normal production builds,postguards and owned cleanup. Missing/unsupported counters retain ordinary evidence without retry. No vLLM rerun or formal acceptance in this diagnostic.
Prior2990/2998 failures remain frozen and settled. This v3 admission is based on the authentic missing-input restoration plus observed CPU dependency success, not a weakened guard. Both engines remain non-speculative; formal25%/5% performance and quality acceptance remain INCONCLUSIVE.
evidence: retain approved 8K search and FP8 results (#97)